In the comments on several of my recent articles there has been an ongoing discussion regarding the question of whether or not the
ātma-jñāni is aware of the world, because many friends are convinced by Bhagavan’s teachings that all phenomena (second and third persons) seem to exist only in the self-ignorant view of the ego (the first person), and that therefore when the ego is dissolved forever in the clear light of
ātma-jñāna (pure self-awareness) no phenomena will seem to exist, whereas other friends seem to believe that even though the
ātma-jñāni is nothing but
brahman itself, it is still somehow operating through a body and mind and is therefore aware of that body and of the surrounding world. The latter group of friends often cite passages from
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi and other records of his oral teachings that seem to support their point of view, and they have even found verses in
Guru Vācaka Kōvai and passages in Sadhu Om’s writings that likewise seem to support it.
During the course of this discussion, a friend called Bob wrote a
comment on one of my recent articles,
The difference between vivarta vāda and ajāta vāda is not just semantic but substantive, in which he cited a passage from
The Path of Sri Ramana that had been referred to several times by other friends and remarked ‘Hopefully Michael can shed some light on the deep meaning of this passage for us’, because he conceded that it seems to support the belief that ‘the jnani still experiences the world / multiplicity but experiences everything as itself’, even though his own belief is that ‘the jnani / myself as I really am does not experience the world / body or duality of any kind’, in support of which he cited a translation by Sadhu Om and me of the
kaliveṇbā version of
verse 26 of
Uḷḷadu Nāṟpadu and a note regarding it from pages 58-9 of
Sri Ramanopadesa Noonmalai. Therefore the following is my reply to this comment.